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> Lethality, Choose wisely
Chaos Icaris
post May 6 2008, 10:01 PM
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Well there seems to be some new blood here in this forum. So, I started thinking to myself, "let's see how well this new blood flows." In no way am i trying to offend any of you lovely members, however i do love to test the intellect and minds of others and see how far they can be pushed to get desired results. Here is the paradigm.

Which Undesirable situation would you rather be in, "none" however will be deemed unexceptable.

The first is being in a state of mourning for one whom you loved dearly and known for a reasonable amount of time, for their death to effect you. This can be anyone that you deem worthy enough to remember and mourn for if they pass. The way they pass is a sudden event in which there was no possible way to prevent the death from occuring, and to make life even better you just found out it happend.

Now for the second part, would you rather be in a state of depression where your entire life seems to be going the entire opposite of what you wanted. Friends have turned their backs on you, and parents no longer care for you (their maturnity instincts suddenly vanished and your worth less then the dirt on your shoes to them).

Choose your poison well, both are positions where most humans do not want to be at all in their lifespans. Losing someone rather close to you in such a quick moment is utterly shocking but leaves deep scars over the course of time. Being constantly let down and absolutely abondond is just as devastating, and to have no one to turn to makes it hard to bare.

With your choice please provide a complete reason as to why you chose this particular situation.

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post May 11 2008, 07:10 PM
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Though I am by no means new blood in this forum, I will have fun and contribute to this topic.
I would personally choose the first one, why? Simply you defined a state where I am troubled, but didn't surrender, I am still going, whether my pace has slown down or remained the same is of little importance, by time I may get back to what I where or better, and maybe I will keep with the recent slow pace, also doesn't matter. Death is deaeth not changeable and ever going, but we can decide whether to make the shock you mentioned stop us or not, besides you said that he is a friend whom I deem worthy to be sad for, then it's possible that he holds the same idea, then to change myself would be sad, because it will me no longer worthy for him to be sad for. In short the loss of a friend is hard, but not destructive, at least that is how it should be.

Why not the second one? You said "in a state of depression", will that's some sort of being destroyed, it may lead to total surrendering. I think this enough regarding this point.

Now for what is strange in this topic:
First it's mainly a topic of opinion, but you claim to test our intellect by it as if saying there is a right answer that will prove you intellegent and there is a wrong that will prove you otherwise, as if you limit the definition of intellegence to yours and if it's criteria is not fullfilled by this certain person then he is not intellegent. And by the way we don't know your idea about intellect. I think this enough too.


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post May 11 2008, 07:31 PM
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QUOTE(Chaos Icaris @ May 7 2008, 10:01 AM) *
The first is being in a state of mourning for one whom you loved dearly and known for a reasonable amount of time, for their death to effect you. This can be anyone that you deem worthy enough to remember and mourn for if they pass. The way they pass is a sudden event in which there was no possible way to prevent the death from occuring, and to make life even better you just found out it happend.


For me this would be my one. When someone I know well dieds it shocks me and I don't get over it for ages....Espcaily if I've just found out then that makes it ten times worse.


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QUOTE(Modi @ May 11 2008, 02:10 PM) *
Now for what is strange in this topic:
First it's mainly a topic of opinion, but you claim to test our intellect by it as if saying there is a right answer that will prove you intellegent and there is a wrong that will prove you otherwise, as if you limit the definition of intellegence to yours and if it's criteria is not fullfilled by this certain person then he is not intellegent. And by the way we don't know your idea about intellect. I think this enough too.


Indeed it does seem that there is a right or wrong answer but that is simply not the case. I am only interested in what poeple would choose if given only the option and why they chose it. but of course it is entirely your opinion to say that i want to make myself look intelligent. When it is in fact my own opinion that i call mysef intelligent. This is based on the standards of how much i think i know versus what others think i know. This can amount to alot or simply none at all that is entirely up to the reader/responder.

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I would personally choose the first one, why? Simply you defined a state where I am troubled, but didn't surrender, I am still going, whether my pace has slown down or remained the same is of little importance, by time I may get back to what I where or better, and maybe I will keep with the recent slow pace, also doesn't matter. Death is deaeth not changeable and ever going, but we can decide whether to make the shock you mentioned stop us or not, besides you said that he is a friend whom I deem worthy to be sad for, then it's possible that he holds the same idea, then to change myself would be sad, because it will me no longer worthy for him to be sad for. In short the loss of a friend is hard, but not destructive, at least that is how it should be.


you chose scars over steady cuts, this makes you able to recover from loss easier because you have an open understanding of losing a close friend. Everyone over the course of their lives learns that death is an inevibility and unpreventable, this is what makes us so fragile. A very good reason for choosing what situation you would rather be in.

I also hope you did not misunderstand my intent with this topic. The scenario is more of a guide of how deep either situation can be, both have a value of getting worse or better depending on the individual. They both are equally flexible, however i would prefer that "none" not be a choice because it provides no insight. thats all.

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For me this would be my one. When someone I know well dieds it shocks me and I don't get over it for ages....Espcaily if I've just found out then that makes it ten times worse.


That is very good that you have that special bond with your closest friend. It shows that you prefer to see the thriving of others over yourself. If i can guess right, and i will quote myself on this "You Jenny would give your own life to save your closest friend and/or companion." There is nothing wrong with it and in this day and age I hope there are more individuals who feel the same as you do.

Anyone else?


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post May 12 2008, 10:39 PM
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QUOTE(Chaos Icaris @ May 13 2008, 02:28 AM) *
That is very good that you have that special bond with your closest friend. It shows that you prefer to see the thriving of others over yourself. If i can guess right, and i will quote myself on this "You Jenny would give your own life to save your closest friend and/or companion." There is nothing wrong with it and in this day and age I hope there are more individuals who feel the same as you do.


Well you are right. I would take their place with my own life. If only to see them live....


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Much as I should love introductions, I will focus directly on the topic.

The intensity of how susceptible we are and the way some matters affect us is conditioned accordingly upon the reasons for it.
Mourning for one is a manifestation of personal needs because most of the time the ground of it is not regret of someone losing possibility to continue their lives but them having no longer an ability of contacting you in a desired way.
Another side though more essential in the reasons against which has to be included is taking the other person under consideration.
I very doubt those would regard mourning as a valuable and worthy way of nourishing memory about them.
Being associated with deploring; the change in their presence being the source of having a part of another's life torn out which they themselves aimed to restrain.
Respect has other faces which one should learn to recognise as deserving for being devoted to the others as opposed to
nothing what is of use to make situation better instead of being in a close possibility of becoming an initiation for one's doom.

A completely different matter is living in the pain elicited from realisation of what suffering they had to go through at the time of death and/or as much they have to experience despite life not being gracious.
However it is not what the question refers to therefore I am afraid I don't find this option valid enough to choose from.

Do mind that in order to have been certain of having the right to regard the analysis as justified, there is a need for an answer to be the final result of matters being characterised by standing on more than two grounds; and not from a person who have always known only one side of the moon.

A person who have never had enough respect and humility to the possibility of the course of life being different than the one marked by them as planned, put a spoke in their wheels by themselves.
Attachment towards particular directions, giving us necessary assurance of safety and alternatively control as well, which are unstable make a huge impact in times when the matter testifies its fragility.
Constant, tenacious reminder against person's stubborn demand for possessing makes one's personal defeat becoming a natural part of their life and the roles change in the hands of depresion.
When the aim is the only stage of worth, one becomes blinded at everything else what is supposed to derive from the process leading to the desired goal.
So the point in here is whether these are conditions which can drive somebody in such strong state of mind like depression is...

Each hit is able to make a person lose balance if they don't stand on the stable ground however even if, neither is what a human looks for or longs to be tested by.
Human beings as creatures which build themselves by creating own bricks both by own searches for a decision as well as from the reactions at the influence of the others has certainly more difficult situation when the sources of reliability gradually destroys its structure. Defied by the others, one gradually begins doing the hardest crime: betraying oneself when in the course of time is gaining certainty about it being right.


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