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Posted 12 May 2006 - 03:00 AM

Dark Magician of Chaos - 8/2800/2600

Monster Type: Spellcaster
Attribute: Dark

Effect: When this card is Normal Summoned or Special Summoned, you can add 1 Spell Card from your Graveyard to your hand. A monster that is destroyed by this monster as a result of battle is removed from play instead of going to the Graveyard. If this face-up card is destroyed or removed from the field, it is removed from play.

Rulings

- Missing the Timing: If "Dark Magician of Chaos" is Special Summoned in the middle of a chain (if it is not the last effect in the chain to resolve), the timing will not be correct for its Optional Trigger Effect, so you do NOT return a Spell Card from your Graveyard to your hand.

- "Dark Magician of Chaos" is NOT removed from play if it is destroyed in your hand or Deck.

- You can Special Summon "Dark Magician of Chaos" with "Monster Reborn", and then return the "Monster Reborn" to your hand with "Dark Magician of Chaos"' effect.

- If you Special Summon "Dark Magician of Chaos" face-down with "The Shallow Grave", its effect does not activate.
When "Dark Magician of Chaos" is Special Summoned with "Reasoning", his effect activates.

- When multiple "Dark Magicians of Chaos" are Special Summoned simultaneously, all of their effects activate; the controller starts putting their effects on a chain.

- When you Tribute Summon "Dark Magician of Chaos" with "Sangan" or "Burning Algae", those cards effects are Step 1 of the chain, and "Dark Magician of Chaos"' effect is Step 2.

- When you Special Summon "Dark Magician of Chaos" with "Last Turn", you can activate "Dark Magician of Chaos"' effect.
"Dark Magician of Chaos"' effect targets 1 Spell Card in the Graveyard, so it will be negated by "Necrovalley" or "The End of Anubis".

- The Spell Card is chosen at activation of "Dark Magician of Chaos"'s effect, so your opponent could chain "Disappear" or "Graverobber" to deny you that Spell Card.

- If "Dark Magician of Chaos" attacks a face-down "Fiber Jar" or "Cyber Jar", the Jar is removed from play but its effect is activated.

- If "Dark Magician of Chaos" attacks a monster with equal ATK, both monsters are removed from play.

- When "Dark Magician of Chaos" is sent to your hand by "Penguin Soldier", it is removed from play instead.

- When "Fiber Jar" resolves, a "Dark Magician of Chaos" on the field is removed from play instead of returning to the Deck.

- When "Dark Magician of Chaos" is removed from play by "Interdimensional Matter Transporter", it is removed from play but will return to play as normal due to "Interdimensional Matter Transporter"'s effect.

- When a face-down "Dark Magician of Chaos" is destroyed, it is NOT removed from play.

- If "Dark Magician of Chaos" is equipped to "Relinquished", and is destroyed, then "Dark Magician of Chaos" is removed from play. While "Dark Magician of Chaos" is equipped to "Relinquished", you cannot select "Dark Magician of Chaos" as a card to send to the Graveyard for the effect of "Emergency Provisions".

- While "Skill Drain" is active, the first and second effects of "Dark Magician of Chaos" are negated, but the 3rd effect is not negated.

- [Re: Burning Algae] When you Tribute "Burning Algae" to Tribute Summon "Dark Magician of Chaos", "Burning Algae"'s effect is Step 1 of a chain and "Dark Magician of Chaos"' effect is Step 2.

- [Re: Dedication through Light and Darkness] You select the "Dark Magician of Chaos" you wish to Special Summon when you resolve "Dedication through Light and Darkness", not when you activate it.

- [Re: Divine Wrath] You can activate "Divine Wrath" in a chain to a Trigger Effect that activates when the Effect Monster is Summoned such as "Breaker the Magical Warrior", "Dark Magician of Chaos", or "Marauding Captain". The opponent must declare the activation of "Marauding Captain"'s effect before "Divine Wrath" can be activated. In this case, the monster that would have been Special Summoned remains in the opponent's hand.

- [Re: Enemy Controller] If "Dark Magician of Chaos" is Summoned, and you chain "Enemy Controller" to the activation of his effect, even if you take control of "Dark Magician of Chaos", you cannot take control of his effect, so the Summoner (the activator of the effect) gets to retrieve 1 Spell Card from the Graveyard.

- [Re: Grave Protector] A monster destroyed by "Dark Magician of Chaos" or "Lesser Fiend" is returned to the Deck instead of being removed from play.

- [Re: Last Turn] If your opponent activates "Last Turn" and you Special Summon "Dark Magician of Chaos" from your Deck, you can activate his effect to add a Spell Card from your Graveyard to your hand.

- [Re: Last Turn] You CAN Special Summon a high-level monster that has no Special Summoning restrictions for "Last Turn", such as "Blue-Eyes White Dragon" or "Dark Magician of Chaos".

- [Re: Magical Dimension] If you Special Summon "Dark Magician of Chaos" with "Magical Dimension", then decide to destroy 1 monster on the field, then you will NOT get the effect of "Dark Magician of Chaos" because it misses the timing. If you choose not to destroy a monster, however, then his effect will activate. (See rulings for "Dark Magician of Chaos").

- [Re: Monster Gate] If you Special Summon "Dark Magician of Chaos" with "Monster Gate", the effect of "Dark Magician of Chaos" activates, but it activates after "Monster Gate" has fully resolved and sent other picked up cards to the Graveyard, so you can use "Dark Magician of Chaos"' effect to retrieve a Spell Card that was picked up and sent to the Graveyard by "Monster Gate" in the process of searching for the "Dark Magician of Chaos".

- [Re: Ryu Kokki] If "Ryu Kokki" battles with "Dark Magician of Chaos", "Ryu Kokki" is destroyed and removed from play by "Dark Magician of Chaos"' effect, and "Dark Magician of Chaos" is removed from play because it is destroyed by "Ryu Kokki"'s effect and removed by its own effect.

- [Re: Samsara] If "Dark Magician of Chaos" is used as a Tribute for a Ritual Summon while "Samsara" is on the field it will be shuffled back into the Deck.

- [Re: The End of Anubis] "The End of Anubis" WILL negate the effects of "Night Assailant" (its second effect), "Aswan Apparition", "Nubian Guard", "Sangan", "Witch of the Black Forest" (even if Tributed to Tribute Summon "The End of Anubis"), "Mystic Tomato"/"Giant Rat"/etc., "Sinister Serpent", "Magician of Faith", "Dark Magician of Chaos"' spell retrieval effect, "Vampire Lord"'s ability to return from the Graveyard, "Dark Necrofear"'s ability to return from the Graveyard, and activation of "Call of the Haunted" or "Premature Burial".

So, today let's look at what makes DMoC one of the two best two-tribute monsters in the TCG (Sacred Phoenix being the other one).

Statistics and Type

2800 ATK is enormous. There's practically nothing in the current metagame that can destroy it in battle save the rare Lily.

2600 DEF essentially means that a Book of Moon or Tsukuyomi will be entirely ineffective against DMoC unless they have a NoC, MS LV2, or Drillroid.

Spellcaster is a type with nice support. The largest contribution that DMoC gets from that genre is Magical Dimension, in which DMoC is able to negate the card advantage loss that is gained through getting a Spell back from the Graveyard. Also, it is that deck's primary powerhouse, and fits in with all the Spell recycling that is going to be occuring with 2 Magician of Faith and 2 Apprentice Magician.

Dark has tremendous support. DMoC can be Chaos food, Ninja food, used with Deck Devastation Virus, and more.

Now, DMoC is a two-tribute monster. Normally, two-tribute monsters are highly discouraged, as they heavily decrease your field presence due to the sacrifices are needed to bring them out. Usually, they require a tutor (Sacred Phoenix), or some alternate way of hitting the field. DMoC compensates for this with its effect, but even that doesn't fully cushion the blow that you're going to suffer (it's still -1 in field presence).

Effect

And we come to the reason that DMoC is one of the two best two-tribute monsters in the TCG.

Its first ability gives you a Spell back. That's a free MoF. That's a free +1.

Need Graceful? Back.

Need Snatch to take that monster? Back.

Need NoC for that F/D? Back.

It's an incredibly powerful ability.

And then we see the removal ability.

Tomato? No effect.

Sangan? No effect.

Sand Moth? No effect.

It shuts down all the elemental searchers, Sangan, and basically anything whose effect requires it to hit the Graveyard. The only time this is going to be a disadvantage is against the elusive D.D. Survivor and D.D. Scout Planes, which aren't seen now, but will be dominant when EOJ comes out. The fact that they don't even need Macrocosmos or Dimensional Fissure on the field hurts.

And it's removed from play upon leaving the field. Now, this prevents it from being revived, but sets it up for a combination with RftDD, which DMoC complements quite well, as it returns a Spell as well as being a 2800 beatstick that can go for the kill.

How to Use it

DMoC has been used in several decks, of which a few I will discuss here. They are Strike Ninja, Spellcaster, and Monster Gate/Reasoning decks.

In Strike Ninja, DMoC is merely another nice Dark. It can't provide Strike Ninja fodder since it's removed from play, but nevertheless, its use is to get a Spell back, do some damage, and then be brought back with RftDD when Ninja has removed enough for the kill.

In Spellcaster, DMoC is primarily used for synergy with Magical Dimension as well as being another Spell recycler alongside Magician of Faith (which is reusable with Tsukuyomi and searchable via Apprentice Magician).

In Monster Gate/Reasoning, DMoC offers major advantage when it hits the field from either of those cards, as you just got a +1 from that, and your opponent is likely freaking out.

As seen, DMoC best belongs in a deck that can fully utilize its abilities, as the addition of a two-tribute monster is a harsh price for a deck to pay in order to utilize it, even a card like DMoC.

Effect on the Metagame

DMoC claims the distinction of being one of the last two-tribute monsters still used in competitive tournaments.

Face it. No other card save Sacred Phoenix can provide the advantage or power that DMoC can.

I'm not going to go into a Sacred Phoenix vs. DMoC debate, as they both have their pros and cons, and it is not my place to say which one is better.

The place you're going to see it most often? Strike Ninja is arguably the most competitive of the former three decks, so expect a DMoC played in there. You might see a Sacred Crane deck (which might become more popular due to the last SJC) utilizing a DMoC, but that's about it.

As versus other decks, you can be assured that DMoC can outpower virtually everything. Monarchs, CyDras, and even Ha Des all fall before it. The ONLY things that are going to kill DMoC in battle are Lily, something pumped up with a Rush Recklessly, or something killing DMoC after it's been weakened by Shrink. In all cases though, they require 2000 LP or -1 card advantage.

Look into the Future

DMoC faces a tough future ahead against Macrocosmos.

Like I said before, Survivor and Scout Plane laugh at DMoC's attempts to destroy them, even WITHOUT Macrocosmos or Dimensional Fissure on the field. With Macro, there will be few Spells left to retrieve.

Conclusion

It rightfully holds the position of one of the two best two-tribute monsters in the game, due to practically unrivalved power and abilities (again, save Sacred Phoenix). In terms of statistics, there is no single commonly played monster in the Advanced format that can rival it. Besides Magician of Faith, it gives the only method of bringing back Spells from the Graveyard. It shuts down Sangan, all the elemental searchers, and more. And finally it works insanely well with RftDD.

However, it STILL is a two-tribute monster, hence the inherent disadvantage there.

Rating: 3.9/5 - An excellent card by any standards, but the fact it's a two-tribute monster brings down the score.

This post has been edited by Sephiroth_BCR: 12 May 2006 - 03:06 AM

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Posted 12 May 2006 - 11:29 AM

Very nice card indeed, works like a charm in a spellcaster deck.
The 2 tributes are a bit of a pain, maybe if t would have 3000 ATK it wouldn't be so bad, but then it would be in line with the other 2 tribute 3000 ATK monsters. 2800 ATK seems to be fitting for some reason.
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Posted 12 May 2006 - 04:41 PM

The 2 tributes are a bit of a pain, maybe if t would have 3000 ATK it wouldn't be so bad, but then it would be in line with the other 2 tribute 3000 ATK monsters. 2800 ATK seems to be fitting for some reason.

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If you bothered to read my review, then you realize that there are TWO competitive two-tributes.

They are DMoC and Sacred Phoenix.

There is NO 3000 ATK two-tribute monster played in a competitive environment.

And not having 3000 ATK is bad? It overpowers everything in the Advanced format. Just because it can't match your rather childish expectation of a card having 3000 ATK to match BEWD, does not mean a card is bad.

Now, before you're going to post an opinion, examine what you're saying, as you apparently were clueless as to the implications of your words.
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Posted 12 May 2006 - 09:48 PM

My [bad] selection of words mislead you into believing I said DMoC is bad because of it's 2800 ATK, I didn't mean it that way.

But for you to call me childisch is completely out of place, maybe it would be wise for you aswell to mend your ways of posting your speculations of other people. I admit that I have to my reconsider my post for I don't know what I was thinking at the time.

Anyway some people still use BEWD in decks because there are still sufficient ways to summon or use it for other causes.

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Posted 13 May 2006 - 05:45 PM

I actually take offense to what sephiroth said about the BEWD because i in fact run a very competetive deck that uses the BEWD to it's fullest potential...you may say what you will about the card but it is in fact a very powerfull *Boom Stick* not many cards rival it in terms of power. However this is a review on the MOBC and i am a fan of this card as well, but sephiroth in order to get the position you seek i suggest you be a bit nicer next time.
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Posted 13 May 2006 - 05:51 PM

BEWD is hardly competitive.

It's hard to call the card BEWD good when its TUTOR is a better card that it is.

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Posted 13 May 2006 - 06:48 PM

If you say so i guess, however If you would be so kind (not brutal or insulting) as to tell me why you think the BEWD is not a competetive card. If i were to look at it, in a head to head bout my dragon has both of your monsters beat. I say the BEWD is the only monster that doesn't require help to destroy it's target. Unless it's target's owner decides to use alot of abused cards to save it then i can see where a bit of a disadvantage comes in. Please enlighten me?
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Posted 13 May 2006 - 07:13 PM

easy cuz in competetive play .ppl like to use , how u said it "Unless it's target's owner decides to use alot of abused cards".
bisads it 2 tribut for a monster that can be killd easly by nearly anything [trap/spells/effect] the monster have no effect that might worth useing it or bothriong to summon it
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Posted 13 May 2006 - 07:21 PM

Hmmm...So you are saying that a deck that uses those same abused cards and theme it to fit a BEWD deck has no chance in competetive play? Wow, obviously you think i havn't thought of that already. I know alot of decks pile on the smashing ground, sakuretsu armor, and slef indulge themselves in one mirror force. Anyway i am finished, go ahead and continue to say how much of a pain this card is but oh well. this is not the place that will determine who is right.

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Posted 13 May 2006 - 07:31 PM

i didnt said that a BEWD have no chanse i only mentiod few fact on why i think the card named BEWD is not really competetive
i could be wrong
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Posted 13 May 2006 - 08:31 PM

HOWEVER you WOULD be correct to say BEWD decks would have no chance. Its true :3
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Posted 13 May 2006 - 08:42 PM

You know this is a discussion of DMOC not bewd.

This will be my ONE and only thing about bewd. Just because kaiba uses it in the show and it rarely dies does NOT mean it won't die in real tournaments. Let's face it most decks pack over half of their deck with monster destruction. Bewd won't last more than a turn unless it is endgame.

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Posted 13 May 2006 - 08:43 PM

Might i ask what you base this on, seeing as how all i see you doing Otaku is running around the deck forums and CODT forum calling people noobs and bringing them down. Your word is not law and therefor has no merit. I will say this i am glad you decided to post on this topic because it does put truth into what i have said *browses other topics*. I also see that you made your rounds of treating people like crap today. Just pointing out the obvious

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Posted 13 May 2006 - 09:08 PM

As do I.

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Posted 14 May 2006 - 10:36 AM

May I point something out? before we are going any further with this and before it's going balistic

Stay on-topic please....

And if anyone after this post something that doesn't consurn the subject of this topic they will find themselves warned...

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Posted 16 May 2006 - 10:41 AM

this is a good card you need this card in a spellcasters deck because it is very good.
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Posted 29 May 2006 - 04:59 PM

that it's removed from the field is not such a big drawback.

in the current metagame peeps play more traps and less spells
so there could be a time that you could get nothing back

but with the ban of monster reborn it's a lot safer, cause now you're sure that your opponent won't get the effect
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Posted 29 May 2006 - 07:06 PM

You couldn't use monster reborn even if it wasn't banned... When this card is destroyed it's removed from play

Monsters reborn works only for monsters in the graveyard...

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Posted 31 May 2006 - 03:34 AM

Dump and revive ;)
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Posted 31 May 2006 - 09:08 AM

I like this card. It is nice. Strong. Fun. Rapes searchers. And has a not-that-bad drawback (only stops it from being revived if it was on the field). Pity my only one is in TERRIBLE condition (got it cheap, I don't care that much).

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